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		<title>By: That Abortion Debate In Full, Part 4 &#171; Suckonthis</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>That Abortion Debate In Full, Part 4 &#171; Suckonthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] excellent article on AspenBaker&#8217;s Blog puts an interesting perspective on the debate, adapted as it is from a New York Times editorial [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] excellent article on AspenBaker&#8217;s Blog puts an interesting perspective on the debate, adapted as it is from a New York Times editorial [...]</p>
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		<title>By: suckonthis</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-246</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, just wanted to say thanks for a really great and thoughtful article.

All too often the pro-life opinion gets reduced to a minority of moral abolutists (most likely because they are the most vocal section of the movement), and people tend to forget that some pro-life people are merely interested in seeing an end to the necessity for abortion. And this is ultimately where the paths cross - pro-choice people are not &quot;pro-abortion&quot;, they largely don&#039;t see it as a preferable option in any case, however they merely recognise the point you have made above, that outlawing abortion just makes the situation worse. Abortion itself is not the problem. The problem is that people have compelling reasons to seek abortions.

I would love to see a pro-life movement dominated by people who are working their backsides off to ensure that all pregnant women are able to give birth in a safe, happy environment and providde adequately for their children. Unfortunately, the discourse we hear most from the pro-lifers is condemnation of abortion doctors, and condemnation of those who support women who need a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, just wanted to say thanks for a really great and thoughtful article.</p>
<p>All too often the pro-life opinion gets reduced to a minority of moral abolutists (most likely because they are the most vocal section of the movement), and people tend to forget that some pro-life people are merely interested in seeing an end to the necessity for abortion. And this is ultimately where the paths cross &#8211; pro-choice people are not &#8220;pro-abortion&#8221;, they largely don&#8217;t see it as a preferable option in any case, however they merely recognise the point you have made above, that outlawing abortion just makes the situation worse. Abortion itself is not the problem. The problem is that people have compelling reasons to seek abortions.</p>
<p>I would love to see a pro-life movement dominated by people who are working their backsides off to ensure that all pregnant women are able to give birth in a safe, happy environment and providde adequately for their children. Unfortunately, the discourse we hear most from the pro-lifers is condemnation of abortion doctors, and condemnation of those who support women who need a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael C.</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to follow up on your question about seeking submissions for the Zine...You can try the &lt;a href=&quot;http://passboards.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PASS Support Site Message Boards&lt;/a&gt;, which features a diverse collection of women with just as diverse experiences and complex feelings surrounding their abortion. I have been a memember there for 4 years, and requests for projects, articles, movies, videos, thesis papers, school projects, and so on are typically well received. Once you&#039;d register, you can place a request on the Volunteering, Outreach, and Research Requests board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to follow up on your question about seeking submissions for the Zine&#8230;You can try the <a href="http://passboards.org/" rel="nofollow">PASS Support Site Message Boards</a>, which features a diverse collection of women with just as diverse experiences and complex feelings surrounding their abortion. I have been a memember there for 4 years, and requests for projects, articles, movies, videos, thesis papers, school projects, and so on are typically well received. Once you&#8217;d register, you can place a request on the Volunteering, Outreach, and Research Requests board.</p>
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		<title>By: aspenbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>aspenbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the second half of the superbowl.  So exciting!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Rachael C.</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I do not have any theme ideas at this time, but will dwell on this. Also, I have some other thoughts which will have to come at a later time as I do not have the time right now. BTW, did you watch the Super Bowl, any thoughts on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I do not have any theme ideas at this time, but will dwell on this. Also, I have some other thoughts which will have to come at a later time as I do not have the time right now. BTW, did you watch the Super Bowl, any thoughts on that?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael C.</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I do not have any theme ideas at this time, but will dwell on this. Also, I have some other thoughts which will have to come at a later time as I do not have the time right now. BTW, did yot watch the Super Bowl, any thoughts on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I do not have any theme ideas at this time, but will dwell on this. Also, I have some other thoughts which will have to come at a later time as I do not have the time right now. BTW, did yot watch the Super Bowl, any thoughts on that?</p>
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		<title>By: aspenbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>aspenbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep! Journey and closure very important: agreed.  Mostly, I just feel that much more excited to keep publishing the zine because there are so many stories, and so many different kinds of stories, to be told. 32 printed pages twice a year is nowhere near penetrating the surface. Love to hear any ideas for themes and topics for future issues, as well as additional places to seek stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep! Journey and closure very important: agreed.  Mostly, I just feel that much more excited to keep publishing the zine because there are so many stories, and so many different kinds of stories, to be told. 32 printed pages twice a year is nowhere near penetrating the surface. Love to hear any ideas for themes and topics for future issues, as well as additional places to seek stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael C.</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A few thoughts on the zine: we are always working to increase the distribution of the zine and include more and diverse stories, a constant challenge, no doubt. We have received very few submissions for “negative” stories, so we print the best written/most poignant of what we receive. We welcome your help in reaching more women and inviting their submissions.&lt;/i&gt;

I understand. I think maybe some women would be hesitant, and weary to share her story, unsure of whether or not her story would be used for a political agenda, and understandably so as there are so many sites out there claiming to be non-political or neutral, but are hardly so.

&lt;i&gt;Secondly, I think we have to be really careful when we use words like negative and positive. I know its a short-hand that many of us throw around in different situations, but I don’t think they’re fully accurate.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, it was shorthand and a mistake, however it was better explained when I later wrote in the same paragraph, &quot;Every individual women’s contributing factors into her experience (socio-economic situation, support from others,
inner beliefs, etc) are different and complex, we need to move away from framing it in the sense of political rights (positives) and wrongs (negatives) to seeing individual situations.

&lt;i&gt;I don’t know that the voices of women in our zine are necessarily “positive” stories so much as they are by people who have come to some kind of resolution and healing from what could be “negative” experiences. We do think its incredibly important to show the various ways people have come through their experiences into whole, healthy people - that this sense of well-being is possible for everyone. It is part of our strength-based, empowerment model for emotional support.&lt;i&gt;

I see and that is great, but what of sharing of the journey towards healing and closure, for those who may not be at that point of closure to healing yet. I don&#039;t say this to be difficult, but rather my concerns and sympathies lie with those who&#039;re are working towards a place of closure or resolution, as much as with those who are at a more healed point. 

I do appreciate your allowing me here and listening to my views, despite our differing political views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A few thoughts on the zine: we are always working to increase the distribution of the zine and include more and diverse stories, a constant challenge, no doubt. We have received very few submissions for “negative” stories, so we print the best written/most poignant of what we receive. We welcome your help in reaching more women and inviting their submissions.</i></p>
<p>I understand. I think maybe some women would be hesitant, and weary to share her story, unsure of whether or not her story would be used for a political agenda, and understandably so as there are so many sites out there claiming to be non-political or neutral, but are hardly so.</p>
<p><i>Secondly, I think we have to be really careful when we use words like negative and positive. I know its a short-hand that many of us throw around in different situations, but I don’t think they’re fully accurate.</i></p>
<p>Indeed, it was shorthand and a mistake, however it was better explained when I later wrote in the same paragraph, &#8220;Every individual women’s contributing factors into her experience (socio-economic situation, support from others,<br />
inner beliefs, etc) are different and complex, we need to move away from framing it in the sense of political rights (positives) and wrongs (negatives) to seeing individual situations.</p>
<p><i>I don’t know that the voices of women in our zine are necessarily “positive” stories so much as they are by people who have come to some kind of resolution and healing from what could be “negative” experiences. We do think its incredibly important to show the various ways people have come through their experiences into whole, healthy people &#8211; that this sense of well-being is possible for everyone. It is part of our strength-based, empowerment model for emotional support.</i><i></p>
<p>I see and that is great, but what of sharing of the journey towards healing and closure, for those who may not be at that point of closure to healing yet. I don&#8217;t say this to be difficult, but rather my concerns and sympathies lie with those who&#8217;re are working towards a place of closure or resolution, as much as with those who are at a more healed point. </p>
<p>I do appreciate your allowing me here and listening to my views, despite our differing political views.</i></p>
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		<title>By: aspenbaker</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>aspenbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again Rachael.  

A few thoughts on the zine: we are always working to increase the distribution of the zine and include more and diverse stories, a constant challenge, no doubt.  We have received very few submissions for &quot;negative&quot; stories, so we print the best written/most poignant of what we receive.  We welcome your help in reaching more women and inviting their submissions.

Secondly, I think we have to be really careful when we use words like negative and positive.  I know its a short-hand that many of us throw around in different situations, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re fully accurate.  I don&#039;t know that the voices of women in our zine are necessarily &quot;positive&quot; stories so much as they are by people who have come to some kind of resolution and healing from what could be &quot;negative&quot; experiences.  We do think its incredibly important to show the various ways people have come through their experiences into whole, healthy people - that this sense of well-being is possible for everyone. It is part of our strength-based, empowerment model for emotional support.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Rachael.  </p>
<p>A few thoughts on the zine: we are always working to increase the distribution of the zine and include more and diverse stories, a constant challenge, no doubt.  We have received very few submissions for &#8220;negative&#8221; stories, so we print the best written/most poignant of what we receive.  We welcome your help in reaching more women and inviting their submissions.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think we have to be really careful when we use words like negative and positive.  I know its a short-hand that many of us throw around in different situations, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re fully accurate.  I don&#8217;t know that the voices of women in our zine are necessarily &#8220;positive&#8221; stories so much as they are by people who have come to some kind of resolution and healing from what could be &#8220;negative&#8221; experiences.  We do think its incredibly important to show the various ways people have come through their experiences into whole, healthy people &#8211; that this sense of well-being is possible for everyone. It is part of our strength-based, empowerment model for emotional support.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael C.</title>
		<link>http://aspenbaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/a-pro-voice-solution/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clearify on my thoughts on the &quot;Our Truths&quot; zine, I saw that you featured a meditation for releasing the spirit on the unborn and the abortion garden story, a positive move towards healing and closure for many women, including those grieving a loss. I&#039;m thinking, for women expriencing a loss, they need to be heard too and to have their feelings validated, to know what they&#039;re experiencing is also normal, and to be able to talk about the stigma and shame they too may feel.
Take into consideration a letter by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/eletters/168/10/1257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Celia Ryan&lt;/a&gt;, a social worker and specialized grief counselor in response to an Canadian Medical Association article relating abortion to increased risks of psychiatric hospitalization May 13 (2006)
This part of her letter really spoke to me:
&quot;I am not a researcher, and the hurting men and women who come to my office for counseling, or to my groups, are not interested in statistics or expectable outcomes. They are interested in having a language, structure and a framework for their abortion experience and an opportunity to use that information in a helfpul and healing way. They are grateful and relieved to finally be able to name and explore an issue that society says does not exist. They are no longer disenfranchised from their appropriate grief.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clearify on my thoughts on the &#8220;Our Truths&#8221; zine, I saw that you featured a meditation for releasing the spirit on the unborn and the abortion garden story, a positive move towards healing and closure for many women, including those grieving a loss. I&#8217;m thinking, for women expriencing a loss, they need to be heard too and to have their feelings validated, to know what they&#8217;re experiencing is also normal, and to be able to talk about the stigma and shame they too may feel.<br />
Take into consideration a letter by <a href="http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/eletters/168/10/1257" rel="nofollow">Celia Ryan</a>, a social worker and specialized grief counselor in response to an Canadian Medical Association article relating abortion to increased risks of psychiatric hospitalization May 13 (2006)<br />
This part of her letter really spoke to me:<br />
&#8220;I am not a researcher, and the hurting men and women who come to my office for counseling, or to my groups, are not interested in statistics or expectable outcomes. They are interested in having a language, structure and a framework for their abortion experience and an opportunity to use that information in a helfpul and healing way. They are grateful and relieved to finally be able to name and explore an issue that society says does not exist. They are no longer disenfranchised from their appropriate grief.&#8221;</p>
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